In this August 24, 2007 article (click on above link), Abdul Bari Atwan, one of the few Western journalists to interview Osama bin Laden, discusses with ABC network television's Tony Jones bin Laden's strategy to lure the United States into war. Bin Laden failed to fight significantly against the United States in Somalia and in Afghanistan, but Donald Rumsfeld and other neo-conservatives in the Bush 43 administration fell for bin Laden's scheme by needlessly invading Iraq.